I try very hard to research all sides. Thank you. My opinion is it seems apparent that more voters will be disenfranchised as a result of this bill. A simple compromise is take out all items unrelated to voter idlaws.
Extend the time period to 2028 and create a fund that lower income citizens can use to get a passport.
To implement this type of id without years begs the lack of sincerity of this bill to begin with
I would suggest emphasizing avoiding the rush to get it done now (reeks of partisan politics). The complexity of the effort on everyone to comply and get it right should require many years of process changes before final implementation. Start easy. Beginning with anyone registering to vote in Jan 2028 and beyond must show proof of citizenship. Go from there… along those lines, do it slow, do it right, and have everyone’s buy in from the beginning.
"If you’re only hearing one side of this debate, it’s not because the other side doesn’t have a case. It’s because someone decided you shouldn’t hear it." THIS IS WHY I LOVE VAN JONES SO MUCH...it's more about the truth than what each other side says.
And the truth is that algorithms are why we are so uniformed as to what both sides are saying and why we can no longer make intelligent choices without doing herculean efforts.
One point that I think is missed. It is far more difficult for foreign or domestic bad actors to “hack” a decentralized voting system. Having a single federal database creates an enormous vulnerability and an irresistible target. Our elections could be far less safe as a result.
Thank you for providing such a clear presentation from both sides of this (and other) issue! I very much appreciate hearing from "the other" side- you know, the one I rarely hear from!
There is definitely a need to slow down a bit to get this id set up right!
From my own experience, I am nervous. Granted, this is just one woman's specific experience with id issues, but it does show gaps. I am a 4th generation American with a current valid passport. I took my husband's name when we married and have kept it even after our divorce. A couple of years ago I needed to renewed my driver's license and was going to get a "real" id. My birth certificate showed my maiden name but everything else was in my married name. When i tried to get a copy of my marriage license i discovered the small courthouse that held those records had burned down long ago and they hadn't gotten around to making electronic copies of their older records. I was denied the id because I couldn't show acceptable proof of a name change.
Eventually I was able to get it done, but it took nearly 2 years of research and documents to finalize. I can only imagine the nightmare had this been for voter registration!
It is not clear to me that the SAVE Act would affect primarily outcomes that favor Democrat candidates. If the SAVE Act impacts lower income voters, rural voters who are largely Republican, as I understand it, will also be affected. Perhaps the SAVE Act will result in a Republican “foot shot.”
I love your mind but...1) I've been in politics since I was 13, I'm 74 now. I grew up in Arkansas with voter suppression and "chain balloting" fraud (look it up). I was a Rockefeller republican in high school, a third party press secretary for Barry Commoner/LaDonna Harris (look them up) and a senior aide to VP Gore. I do NOT need someone to pre chew my news because I read...a lot. 2) Giving both sides of a vote suppression bill based on completely absurd and false claims of voter fraud gives it respectability it doesn't deserve. When ALIOTO asked questions of the mail in ballot case based on " what people will think if votes come in after election day, he elevated conspiracy theory to a legal Maxim. What absurdity. NO ONE before Trump has refused to accept losing. That is the only issue, not all the details of credibility, fairness, Citizenship. Those are all smokescreens. But you analyze them and give them credence they don't deserve. This is simple.. by their admission the SAVE act is designed to remove minorities, woman and the poor from voter rolls so Republicans can win elections through voter confusion and intimidation. It will turn the whole country into 1950's Arkansas where Dixiecrats made sure the county votes were 90% Democrat. Please use your great brain and big heart on something else... with respect, Greg
Part of the unspoken point behind support for the SAVE Act, besides of course the inherent effect of suppressing legitimate votes, is that even if only a few noncitizen voters currently go to the polls and cast a vote, more could. In that case noncitizen voting could potentially have a notable effect on voting outcomes. Best to shut down that possibility.
I try very hard to research all sides. Thank you. My opinion is it seems apparent that more voters will be disenfranchised as a result of this bill. A simple compromise is take out all items unrelated to voter idlaws.
Extend the time period to 2028 and create a fund that lower income citizens can use to get a passport.
To implement this type of id without years begs the lack of sincerity of this bill to begin with
Thank you. In this case, the longer argument is indeed both more truthful AND better.
I would suggest emphasizing avoiding the rush to get it done now (reeks of partisan politics). The complexity of the effort on everyone to comply and get it right should require many years of process changes before final implementation. Start easy. Beginning with anyone registering to vote in Jan 2028 and beyond must show proof of citizenship. Go from there… along those lines, do it slow, do it right, and have everyone’s buy in from the beginning.
"If you’re only hearing one side of this debate, it’s not because the other side doesn’t have a case. It’s because someone decided you shouldn’t hear it." THIS IS WHY I LOVE VAN JONES SO MUCH...it's more about the truth than what each other side says.
And the truth is that algorithms are why we are so uniformed as to what both sides are saying and why we can no longer make intelligent choices without doing herculean efforts.
Thank you Van for doing the heavy lifting.
This was so well done I had to subscribe.
One point that I think is missed. It is far more difficult for foreign or domestic bad actors to “hack” a decentralized voting system. Having a single federal database creates an enormous vulnerability and an irresistible target. Our elections could be far less safe as a result.
Thank you for providing such a clear presentation from both sides of this (and other) issue! I very much appreciate hearing from "the other" side- you know, the one I rarely hear from!
There is definitely a need to slow down a bit to get this id set up right!
From my own experience, I am nervous. Granted, this is just one woman's specific experience with id issues, but it does show gaps. I am a 4th generation American with a current valid passport. I took my husband's name when we married and have kept it even after our divorce. A couple of years ago I needed to renewed my driver's license and was going to get a "real" id. My birth certificate showed my maiden name but everything else was in my married name. When i tried to get a copy of my marriage license i discovered the small courthouse that held those records had burned down long ago and they hadn't gotten around to making electronic copies of their older records. I was denied the id because I couldn't show acceptable proof of a name change.
Eventually I was able to get it done, but it took nearly 2 years of research and documents to finalize. I can only imagine the nightmare had this been for voter registration!
It is not clear to me that the SAVE Act would affect primarily outcomes that favor Democrat candidates. If the SAVE Act impacts lower income voters, rural voters who are largely Republican, as I understand it, will also be affected. Perhaps the SAVE Act will result in a Republican “foot shot.”
I love your mind but...1) I've been in politics since I was 13, I'm 74 now. I grew up in Arkansas with voter suppression and "chain balloting" fraud (look it up). I was a Rockefeller republican in high school, a third party press secretary for Barry Commoner/LaDonna Harris (look them up) and a senior aide to VP Gore. I do NOT need someone to pre chew my news because I read...a lot. 2) Giving both sides of a vote suppression bill based on completely absurd and false claims of voter fraud gives it respectability it doesn't deserve. When ALIOTO asked questions of the mail in ballot case based on " what people will think if votes come in after election day, he elevated conspiracy theory to a legal Maxim. What absurdity. NO ONE before Trump has refused to accept losing. That is the only issue, not all the details of credibility, fairness, Citizenship. Those are all smokescreens. But you analyze them and give them credence they don't deserve. This is simple.. by their admission the SAVE act is designed to remove minorities, woman and the poor from voter rolls so Republicans can win elections through voter confusion and intimidation. It will turn the whole country into 1950's Arkansas where Dixiecrats made sure the county votes were 90% Democrat. Please use your great brain and big heart on something else... with respect, Greg
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Part of the unspoken point behind support for the SAVE Act, besides of course the inherent effect of suppressing legitimate votes, is that even if only a few noncitizen voters currently go to the polls and cast a vote, more could. In that case noncitizen voting could potentially have a notable effect on voting outcomes. Best to shut down that possibility.